Comments on: The Gift, Art, Economy, blah blah http://nebunele.com/blog/2008/11/21/the-gift-art-economy-blah-blah/ News about me that is of little interest to anyone except friends, family, and the occasional stalker Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:50:55 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: yo'mama http://nebunele.com/blog/2008/11/21/the-gift-art-economy-blah-blah/comment-page-1/#comment-34046 yo'mama Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:19:14 +0000 http://nebunele.com/blog/?p=121#comment-34046 And, Eric Lippert, what does "value" mean to you? You sound so certain that I'm really curious to know. Truly. And, Eric Lippert, what does “value” mean to you? You sound so certain that I’m really curious to know. Truly.

]]> By: yo'mama http://nebunele.com/blog/2008/11/21/the-gift-art-economy-blah-blah/comment-page-1/#comment-34045 yo'mama Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:14:50 +0000 http://nebunele.com/blog/?p=121#comment-34045 Hmm..that's all well and good if you are either independently wealthy and can spend all your time creating art for free OR you have no desire for physical possessions and want to busk on the streets (spoken like a parent, of course). Or you are lucky enough to find a patron who believes in your art enough to back all your theatrical expressions. However, I don't think it's a measurement of the artistic value whether a ticket is free or not, merely a survival strategy to continue doing it. The value of the thing is what you and others receive from the process of creating and experiencing it. Hmm..that’s all well and good if you are either independently wealthy and can spend all your time creating art for free OR you have no desire for physical possessions and want to busk on the streets (spoken like a parent, of course). Or you are lucky enough to find a patron who believes in your art enough to back all your theatrical expressions. However, I don’t think it’s a measurement of the artistic value whether a ticket is free or not, merely a survival strategy to continue doing it. The value of the thing is what you and others receive from the process of creating and experiencing it.

]]> By: dm http://nebunele.com/blog/2008/11/21/the-gift-art-economy-blah-blah/comment-page-1/#comment-31577 dm Wed, 26 Nov 2008 01:00:43 +0000 http://nebunele.com/blog/?p=121#comment-31577 hey hi! thats me! i feel famous. and i stand by that statement, for sure. interesting though the idea that free art is inferior...the tossed bone, the shoddy product. maybe you should have shows that are $50, but you let everyone have some very special extremely reduced/free tickets. "first 5 reservations get free tix" but then you just give them to everyone? people like feeling like they are on the inside.... xo dave hey hi!
thats me!
i feel famous.
and i stand by that statement, for sure.
interesting though the idea that free art is inferior…the tossed bone, the shoddy product. maybe you should have shows that are $50, but you let everyone have some very special extremely reduced/free tickets. “first 5 reservations get free tix” but then you just give them to everyone?
people like feeling like they are on the inside….
xo
dave

]]> By: Eric Lippert http://nebunele.com/blog/2008/11/21/the-gift-art-economy-blah-blah/comment-page-1/#comment-30730 Eric Lippert Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:28:48 +0000 http://nebunele.com/blog/?p=121#comment-30730 What do I think? I think that in order to have a conversation about the relative societal value/importance of art vs any other thing, it is necessary to very clearly state what you mean by vague and imprecise concepts like "societal value" and "importance". That's where the "hard to come to terms with" problem lies. People generally understand that dollars are just one (particularly useful) way of talking about value, not value itself. The problem is not that we get hung up on dollar amounts; the problem is that we talk past one another because no one has clearly defined what "of value to society" means. Put society aside for a moment. Start by saying what value means to you. Not what is valuable to you, but what it _means_ for something to "be valuable" to you. I know what "value" means to me; I am curious to know what it means to you. What do I think?

I think that in order to have a conversation about the relative societal value/importance of art vs any other thing, it is necessary to very clearly state what you mean by vague and imprecise concepts like “societal value” and “importance”.

That’s where the “hard to come to terms with” problem lies. People generally understand that dollars are just one (particularly useful) way of talking about value, not value itself. The problem is not that we get hung up on dollar amounts; the problem is that we talk past one another because no one has clearly defined what “of value to society” means.

Put society aside for a moment. Start by saying what value means to you. Not what is valuable to you, but what it _means_ for something to “be valuable” to you. I know what “value” means to me; I am curious to know what it means to you.

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